What's it mean when someone says don't redbar? - Guild Wars Forums

ruk1a · Jun 03, 2011, 05:45 PM // 17:45

I've seen it come up in healer topics before, I have no idea what they mean because I click on the red bars (duh) in my party to heal, I don't see any other way to heal my party members... or do they mean don't focus too much on it? The only other thing I can think of is if they meant redbar as in lag.

Ghull Ka · Jun 03, 2011, 05:52 PM // 17:52

I think it's like when you're a healer, and you don't "do" anything until someone's health goes down. Then you cast a heal at them.

Competitive healers will say that's just redbarring, and it's not a very good way to play.

Chthon · Jun 03, 2011, 05:56 PM // 17:56

You can also focus on a party member by clicking on them, or using the hotkeys.

Focusing too much on the bars in the party menu can lead you to miss important things happening with positioning -- who's about to get hit and who's successfully kited their attacker; where the opposing ranger with interrupts is standing; etc. One popular way of forcing yourself to pay attention to these things is to ignore/close the party window. (In my opinion, that's a bit foolish, but...) This person may have been telling you to close your party window, or at least pay less attention to it.

Another possibility is that you were running a build with a bunch of redundant red-bars-go-up skills and they were telling you to bring some damage-mitigation (and/or bad-status-removal) skills. In other words, they were telling you that a playstyle which consists exclusively of responding to red bars that have gone down is not a very good one. Which is true.

ErrantVenture · Jun 03, 2011, 06:34 PM // 18:34

They're talking about "redbar protting" Basically it refers to bad prot monks. Good players will watch the field and enemy players: they'll use their prot skills proactively to prevent damage based on the movements of enemies on the field. People who are inexperienced at playing a prot monk (or are just bad at it) will often simply prot players on the party window who're taking lots of damage. Thus they are referred to as "redbar prots" because they don't actively prot their teammates, they just attempt to "push redbars" (a common pvp phrase referring to keeping players red health bars at maximums)

This method is largely in effective because applying prots after a target has already taken damage is inefficient. In addition a "redbar" prot will often not apply the correct type of prot spell since he/she will simply be reacting to a target taking damage without know what type of damage the player is taking (physical, caster damage, large packets, small packets, etc).

Hope that helps.

chuckles79 · Jun 03, 2011, 06:47 PM // 18:47

I usually take it as the, do something other than just push redbars up. I would use it in the case of a monk with no hex or condition removal, or no prot skills.

It takes on the other meanings mentioned above in PvP. If you are facing a team attempting a spike, if you wait for the redbar to move; then it's already too late.

The simplest example of not doing this, would be in RA. You see player X who's an assassin, use dash and pings a target. He's about to go in deep and either a prot or vigorous spirit would be a good way to support him passively while you watch for threats to yourself or other players.

nitetime · Jun 03, 2011, 06:51 PM // 18:51

what are some examples of the correct types of prot spells for the different types of damage?

IronSheik · Jun 03, 2011, 06:55 PM // 18:55

IMO redbarring is taking too many heal skills and nothing else.

Many PuG monks for instance bring 4-5 heals, meanwhile 2 max are normally needed.

It is better to deviate from stats a bit and put protective spirit and shield of absorption into your build, especially for hardmode.

ruk1a · Jun 03, 2011, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by Chthon

You can also focus on a party member by clicking on them, or using the hotkeys.

Focusing too much on the bars in the party menu can lead you to miss important things happening with positioning -- who's about to get hit and who's successfully kited their attacker; where the opposing ranger with interrupts is standing; etc. One popular way of forcing yourself to pay attention to these things is to ignore/close the party window. (In my opinion, that's a bit foolish, but...) This person may have been telling you to close your party window, or at least pay less attention to it.

Another possibility is that you were running a build with a bunch of redundant red-bars-go-up skills and they were telling you to bring some damage-mitigation (and/or bad-status-removal) skills. In other words, they were telling you that a playstyle which consists exclusively of responding to red bars that have gone down is not a very good one. Which is true.

Nice assumptions but this isn't about me playing a healer at all lol just curious about the term. Thx all this can be closed now.

xPc · Jun 03, 2011, 07:19 PM // 19:19

It means stop watching the party bars and start watching the field. Basically less mindlessly smashing heals into people and more intelligent use of skills. If you're watching the field you're more able to prot and save people who you would miss if you just watched their health bar.

People do use it to describe flaws with builds as well as in the build has too many red bars go up and not enough prot/removal.

xPc.

Calista Blackblood · Jun 03, 2011, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Closed as per request

Jun 03, 2011, 05:45 PM // 17:45	#1
ruk1a Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2008 Location: UR MOM LOL Guild: ATTACK OF THE KILLER TOMATOES Profession: A/	What's it mean when someone says don't redbar? I've seen it come up in healer topics before, I have no idea what they mean because I click on the red bars (duh) in my party to heal, I don't see any other way to heal my party members... or do they mean don't focus too much on it? The only other thing I can think of is if they meant redbar as in lag.

Jun 03, 2011, 07:31 PM // 19:31	#10
Calista Blackblood Permanently Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern Ireland Guild: Nowhere To Run Nowhere To [Hide] Profession: N/	Closed as per request __________________ *The best goodbyes are like a knife in the dark: short, simple and to the point*

Jun 03, 2011, 05:52 PM // 17:52	#2
Ghull Ka Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Guild: Grenths Helpdesk Profession: N/	I think it's like when you're a healer, and you don't "do" anything until someone's health goes down. Then you cast a heal at them. Competitive healers will say that's just redbarring, and it's not a very good way to play.

Jun 03, 2011, 05:56 PM // 17:56	#3
Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007	You can also focus on a party member by clicking on them, or using the hotkeys. Focusing too much on the bars in the party menu can lead you to miss important things happening with positioning -- who's about to get hit and who's successfully kited their attacker; where the opposing ranger with interrupts is standing; etc. One popular way of forcing yourself to pay attention to these things is to ignore/close the party window. (In my opinion, that's a bit foolish, but...) This person may have been telling you to close your party window, or at least pay less attention to it. Another possibility is that you were running a build with a bunch of redundant red-bars-go-up skills and they were telling you to bring some damage-mitigation (and/or bad-status-removal) skills. In other words, they were telling you that a playstyle which consists exclusively of responding to red bars that have gone down is not a very good one. Which is true.

Jun 03, 2011, 06:34 PM // 18:34	#4
ErrantVenture Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2010 Guild: Social Darwinism [SaD] Profession: A/W	They're talking about "redbar protting" Basically it refers to bad prot monks. Good players will watch the field and enemy players: they'll use their prot skills proactively to prevent damage based on the movements of enemies on the field. People who are inexperienced at playing a prot monk (or are just bad at it) will often simply prot players on the party window who're taking lots of damage. Thus they are referred to as "redbar prots" because they don't actively prot their teammates, they just attempt to "push redbars" (a common pvp phrase referring to keeping players red health bars at maximums) This method is largely in effective because applying prots after a target has already taken damage is inefficient. In addition a "redbar" prot will often not apply the correct type of prot spell since he/she will simply be reacting to a target taking damage without know what type of damage the player is taking (physical, caster damage, large packets, small packets, etc). Hope that helps.

Jun 03, 2011, 06:47 PM // 18:47	#5
chuckles79 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2009 Guild: FILA Profession: P/	I usually take it as the, do something other than just push redbars up. I would use it in the case of a monk with no hex or condition removal, or no prot skills. It takes on the other meanings mentioned above in PvP. If you are facing a team attempting a spike, if you wait for the redbar to move; then it's already too late. The simplest example of not doing this, would be in RA. You see player X who's an assassin, use dash and pings a target. He's about to go in deep and either a prot or vigorous spirit would be a good way to support him passively while you watch for threats to yourself or other players.

Jun 03, 2011, 06:51 PM // 18:51	#6
nitetime Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: eotn Profession: W/	what are some examples of the correct types of prot spells for the different types of damage?

Jun 03, 2011, 06:55 PM // 18:55	#7
IronSheik Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wolfenstein: Goldrush Guild: Zombies Go Nom Nom [Nom] Profession: N/	IMO redbarring is taking too many heal skills and nothing else. Many PuG monks for instance bring 4-5 heals, meanwhile 2 max are normally needed. It is better to deviate from stats a bit and put protective spirit and shield of absorption into your build, especially for hardmode.

Jun 03, 2011, 07:19 PM // 19:19	#9
xPc Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: Tap That Pink [beav]	It means stop watching the party bars and start watching the field. Basically less mindlessly smashing heals into people and more intelligent use of skills. If you're watching the field you're more able to prot and save people who you would miss if you just watched their health bar. People do use it to describe flaws with builds as well as in the build has too many red bars go up and not enough prot/removal. xPc.